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First, thank you to this forum for leading my way to Hector Macias'. They proved to be a great source of knowledge. A phone call to them vastly increased my chances of actually doing a decent job for my first time with Saltillo tile. My question here is more about how to build up the underlayment. The existing floor is built on a 'girder and plank' framework.
There are no joists. Just 4 X 6 girders, each spaced about 4 feet from one another. Running perpendicular to these are 6 inch wide planks, tongue and grooved, 1 1/2 inches thick. The previous installer used construction adhesive to glue the cement board down. Then he thinsetted the pavers to that. Amazingly, this kitchen floor has survived without cracking.
A 15 inch, six foot long swath had to be cut out of the floor for plumbing and other structural issues. I have tied off of the existing girders to build a framework of actual joists and blocking to support as much of the existing floor as possible, and particularly under the area that I must now repair. The problem, if it is one, is that two layers of 3/4 inch plywood, plus one layer of 1/4 inch backer board leave the surface about 1/8 to 3/16ths shy of the existing backerboard. Doesn't come up quite flush. Do I need to include a couple of layers of 1/8 inch luan sandwiched in there somehow? Or can I build up the thickness by using a little more thinset under the backerboard? I'm a little nervous about building up thinset thickness under the paver itself because I fear the tiles may sink unevenly into this and I'd have more lippage than I should.
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Would it be against the rules to add a couple of layers of felt directly over the plywood before I thinsetted the backerboard to it? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, again.
Paul, if you try to add more thinset under the backerboard, your fasteners will pull the board down and smoosh the thinset around either un-evenly or out from under the board at the edges. Better to do the buildup on top of the board. And, no backerboard manufacturer will approve of using layers of felt or 1/8' luan under their boards, so that's out.
Here's a few options I can think of: You could get some Ditra and install it over the backerboard. That will add 1/8' or so. You could install 1 layer of 3/4' plywood, one layer of 5/8' plywood, then use 1/2' backerboard. You could use a mediumset mortar to set your pavers over your planned floor. Mediumset allows you to build a thicker layer of mortar without worries about the tile sinking in.
I have what I call Spanish or Mexican pavers in my house, but some people call it Saltillo or terracotta tiles. They look like the Saltillo tiles on this website Anyway, I don't like the floor, because: (a) it's very uneven (they didn't make an effort to get the tiles level), and (b) the house has ZERO Spanish character (I like Spanish-style houses, but mine is not one of them). Anyway, the tile is developing holes, some over an inch wide. If I was going to keep the floor for the long run, I'd replace the problem tiles. But since I hope to someday replace the floor, I'd like an easier solution, like a patch.
I know it will look like a patch, but right now it's a hole, and getting bigger. Any suggestions on what products to use, and how to use them?
Quote: joecaption: 'Somethings very wrong is there's holes not cracks forming. How about a picture? Trying to figure out in my head how a hole could even form. Hollow under the tiles so someone with heels on punch through? There should be full support under the tile so punching a hole through would be next to impossible if the floor was laid right. Patching would also fail if there's nothing solid to hold it in place.'
Joe sometimes you amaze me at how little you know about some things but are still so willing to make comments as if you had some experience in the matter. The holes are typical, natural, and unique to that type of tile.
The rugged unevenness and imperfections is part of the charm of that class of tile. I won't go into it but suffice it to say (once again) you should check your facts before you leap into something you know nothing about. Many people with these tiles that I know have faced the same problems. It's almost like that is the point of these tiles, which makes absolutely no sense. Patching probably won't be a success since the holes are growing and cracking even more. There is no point in spending a large amount of money on patching up the floor when you are hoping to change the floors soon. I would start saving up and make your floors top priority, get new floors sooner than you were planning and make sure that they are done right, and are level and durable.
Quote: OP: 'Anyway, I don't like the floor, because: (a) it's very uneven (they didn't make an effort to get the tiles level), and (b) the house has ZERO Spanish character (I like Spanish-style houses, but mine is not one of them)'. Well that floor covering didn't just mysteriously appear during the night while you were sleeping. Either you had it installed or it was there for you to see before you moved in. If you don't like it, you don't like, that's your choice. In the meantime you can buy some grout of a tile-matching shade and fill-in the offensive holes and call it good for now. M3 Pete, I'm sorry to hear of your tile troubles.
Bud has answered your questions in his usual thoughtful fashion so you should be able to decide what your next step might be. From what I understand, it is getting less and less common for these tiles to be installed today, I suspect largely due to the cost of shipping them anywhere. I am just now getting to the end of installing around 1,500 square feet of these tiles and possibly I can add just a small amount more information for you. There is a town in Mexico called Saltillo, and this is indeed where the real Saltillo tile comes from.
It comes in a variety of shapes and sizes - and thicknesses - and it does NOT travel well. By this I mean the real McCoy from Saltillo breaks very easily in transit.
Now, I'm not in any way bad mouthing this tile, but that has been my first hand experience. The company that shipped the tile also warned me about that. Prior to getting this Saltillo tile, we got an earlier batch, around 750 square feet or so, which was made in Guadalahara. We bought that about 15 years ago and it is of a far superior quality. Breakage was almost non existent, and the difference in the tile density when cut was very obvious. You might try using some sort of die grinder tool to even out the holes you are experiencing, and then use a sanded grout to fill the holes.
Chances are the grout will be a different colour than the tile, as there is a considerable colour variance within each box of tile. I rather imagine yours will have this same variation. You can get a terra cotta coloured grout (I'm using a Mapei product) which seems to dry just a little darker than the average tile.
I do understand that you can try to do a colour match, but I have not gone that route. Is there any chance you can post a photo or two to show us the damage?
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Please see our for more information on the different types of Saltillo tile available. Please for a quote or for more information.
We can custom stain your Saltillos to any color desired.From a dark brown to an earthy red or anywhere in between. A minimum order of 250 Square feet is required due to waste incurred during the stain preparation and process. The price to custom stain your tiles is.99 cents per square foot due to labor and materials incurred. Due to unavoidable waste during installation adding 10% waste for regular installations and 18% for diagonal 'diamond' pattern installations is generally recommended. A border will add about 3 to 5% depending on the pattern. We import our Saltillo tile directly from Mexico. We receive shipments from Mexico on a weekly basis- meaning your order can be processed very quickly and since we are centrally located our shipping prices are lower than other vendors.
Don't settle for the lifeless machine-made commercial product that some chain retailers pass off as 'Saltillo tile.' This product has been made for generations by the Tlaxcaltecas Artisans since 1577 from Saltillo Coahuila, Mexico. This is the genuine article; beautiful, distinctive, and authentic. This clay exists only in Saltillo, and is not found anywhere else in the world. True authentic handcrafted Saltillo tile is truly one of the most beautiful tiles in the world. It has been produced the same way for hundreds of years- by hand.
No two in the world are the same. Each beautiful piece has its own story to tell. They add warmness, beauty and value to your home like no other upgrade available. Upgrading to Saltillo tile is an investment that can literally last a lifetime. That is why Saltillo Tile graces some of the finest homes in the world. The difference between 'Regular' Saltillo and 'Super' Saltillo: every Saltillo Tile starts life as a 'Regular' Saltillo but some are stamped with a mold during the drying phase of production which rounds off the top edges and flattens many imperfections on the surface thus making a 'Super' Saltillo. Keep in mind that 'Super' in this case does not mean this tile is better or of a higher quality- 'Super' Saltillos have rounded edges to lessen the amount of chipping edges incurred during processing.
If you are looking for the true, authentic, original, handcrafted look then 'Regular' Saltillo is for you. If you are looking for a more perfect Saltillo then perhaps 'super' may better suit your needs. Super is basically a slightly more refined Saltillo. Think of it this way: 'Regular' = original, 'Super' = modern.
There is no difference in quality- just in look. Please see our page to see a 'Super' Saltillo being made. =special order item Actual pictures of our tile on projects installed by us. Regular Square Sq.
Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices Sealed.24x24 4.0 N/A 16x16 1.7 10.5 lbs $4.60 $5.45 12x12 1.0 5.5 lbs $1.95 $2.75 8x8.45 3.3 lbs $1.29 $ 1.92 4x4.14.75 lb $.89 $1.08 Super Saltillo.24x24 4.0 N/A 16x16 1.7 11 lbs $5.10 $5.95 12x12 1.0 6 lbs $1. 99 $ 2.95 Rectangular Saltillo 4x8.22 1.5 $1.15 $1.82 ' Early '11x11 Saltillo Some Saltillo produced prior to 1970 to 1975 measure about 11 to 11 1/4 inches. We offer a specially made Saltillo that match these tiles.
They average 11 to 11 1/4 inches, the edges are much sharper than even the Regular 12x12 Saltillo and more rustic and they are flatter than Regular Saltillo. They are only available in 11x11 Square Price per piece is $2.70 Unsealed $3.60 Sealed They can also be custom Stained as in the pictures to match an aged patina. Manganese Saltillo Tile Manganese Saltillo is by far the rarest handcrafted Saltillo Tile available anywhere in the world. Due the the very high manganese content of the clay the color becomes a beautiful chocolate brown throughout the entire tile. Manganese Saltillo is made in exactly the same molds and by the same artisans as our other Saltillo tiles the only difference is the amount of Manganese present in the clay.
We currently have over 900 square feet in stock at this time. 1/12/16 Regular Manganese Sq. Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices Sealed 16x16 1.6 10.5 N/A $6.35 12x12 1 5.5 N/A $3.52 Super Manganese 16x16 1.6 10.5 N/A $6.55 12x12 1 5.5 N/A $4.25 San Felipe Manganese 9x12.6 4.6 N/A $3.55 Distressed/Rustic Saltillo Tile The two pictures on top are of the same Distressed Saltillo tile. The left picture shows the tile with just a clear sealer. The picture on the right shows the exact same tile lightly hand rubbed with stain to enhance the texture. The second row tile is stained all red then hand rubbed in a 2 stage staining process. The last picture is a water based sealed rustic (distressed) Saltillo grouted with white grout and the grout was slightly left in the face of the tile to give a whitewashed effect.
The bottom picture of our 16x16 Distressed Saltillos with 2 stage staining (terracotta basecoat with heavier hand rubbed staining). Rustic or Distressed Saltillo Tile is a True Authentic Handcrafted Saltillo Tile that has gone through extra processes to work the face of the Saltillo into a texture that looks a century old right out of the box. If you are looking for very rustic and authentic then look no further. Perfect anywhere in your home or for outdoor patios and around pool areas that may become slippery when wet. This tile has the added benefit of having very good grip when wet due to the surface grain cast into the tile. Very beautiful and rugged looking. This tile extremely similar to so called ' French Reclaimed Tile.'
The major difference is that this authentic handmade terracotta tile is about 90% cheaper but equal or better quality and we offer the option to custom finish your tile to your specifications. Hand rubbing with stain (enhancing) adds 72 cents per square foot to the sealed price. Rustic Saltillo Sq. Per Piece Unsealed Prices Sealed 12x12 1 5.5 N/A 3.15 16x16 1.7 10.5 N/A 5.75 Saltillo Stain Properly staining Saltillo tiles is a very intensive process. We are able to custom stain your tile to any color that you specify. Developing our staining processes has cost us several thousand dollars of wasted materials and man hours. We sincerely apologize but cannot release information on our staining techniques.
Minimum 150 sq. For custom stain orders@ $.99 per square foot. All Stain orders must be prepaid. Due to the overwhelming popularity of the terracotta red Saltillo (natural red clay color- no yellow clay) We now offer Terrocotta Red Stained Saltillo.
It is stained to minimize the yellow Saltillo but looks entirely natural. Animal Print Saltillo.CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE. Animal Print Saltillo ( dog, chicken, coyote print Saltillo Tile ) is very rare.
Accounting for less than.03% of all Saltillo produced. It is produced by accident. Since authentic Saltillo is produced by hand and outdoors occasionally an animal- coyote, dog, chicken, goat etc.- will walk across some tiles during the drying process of production. What is left behind is natures' accidental work of art. Nothing says 'Natural' and 'Rustic' more truthfully than these extremely unique tiles.
You generally average 2 or 3 free per pallet of regular tile ordered. You get them strictly by chance. Some batches have them- some don't. The animal print tiles we sell separately are from commercial and residential projects we have installed where the animal prints were not wanted.
Their loss is your gain. Supplies are strictly limited. Please call for availability.
We do NOT separate the animal print tiles from batches unless the customer specifically asks us to remove them. Most pallets average 2 or 3 animal prints per pallet. Animal Print Sq. Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices Sealed 12x12 1.0 5.5 lbs currently unavailable currently unavailable Hexagons and Octagons.=special order item Hexagon Sq. Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices S ealed 8 inch.43 2.6 lbs $1.49 $1.89 12 inch.83 5.0 lbs $2.05 $2.95 Octagon shaped tile require a smaller square insert to complete the pattern. The 8x8 requires a 2x2 inch square insert the 12x12 requires a 4x4 inch square insert. =special order item Octagon Sq.
Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices S ealed 8x8.43 2.6 lbs $1.49 $1.89 12x12.83 5.0 lbs $ 2.05 $ 2. 95 Saltillo Baseboards Baseboards Linear Ft. Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices S ealed 12x4 1 2.3 lbs $1.90 $2.35 Saltillo Stair and Pool Copings Stair Coping s Sq. Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices S ealed 12x12 1.0 7.0 $7.20 $8.25 San Felipe and Flor De Liz The San Felipe and Flor De Liz Saltillos are unique in that they can be used in a pattern by themselves or they can be used together as in the picture above to make the pattern some call 'Riviera.' They are true authentic Saltillo tile using the same clays. The Riviera pattern, which is 1 San Felipe to 1 Flor De Liz, Covers.85 Sq. San Felipe Sq.
Per Piece Prices Unsealed Prices S ealed 9x12.6 4.5 $1.99 $2.65 Flor De Liz 6x6.25 1.7 $1.55 $1.99 Saltillo Sealer We stock only the highest quality Solvent Based Saltillo tile sealer available. We have tested many samples sent to us by manufacturers and this product stands out. Our sealer is specifically formulated for use on Saltillo tile- indoors and out. This sealer is what we use in all of our installations and it is also the sealer used for all presealed Saltillo orders shipped throughout the country- we use what we sell. It is tried and tested.
Please read more about Saltillo sealers in our page before deciding on which type to buy.Coverage will vary with ambient temperature, humidity and application technique. The estimates given are for a dry, warm, sunny day. Saltillo Sealer Estimated Square Foot Coverage per Gallon 1 Gallon 5 Gallon 'Bucket' Oil / Solvent Based High Gloss 100 $69 $289 S a l t il l o G r o u t You should not use regular ceramic tile grout for a Saltillo installation. The sand particles are too small for the width of a Saltillo grout joint and can crack and crumble over time. Saltillo requires a specialized grout. We are not a reseller of someone else's grout- we mix every batch of Saltillo grout that we use in our installations and now we are offering it for sale to you.
We make and use what we sell. We use costly synthetic colorants that will not bleach out over time like other dyes. Square foot coverage will vary depending upon installation method, grout width and tile size.
We average 70 square feet per bag using a 5/8 average grout line with 12 inch tiles. Traditional Grey 60 LBS $15.00 Medium Grey 60 LBS $16.00 Charcoal 60 LBS $17.00 Mocha 60 LBS $17.00 Coffee 60 LBS $17.00 Shiloh Blue 60 LBS $27.00 Dhanis Tile aka 'Dehanis Tile' Dhanis tile is a tile that was produced in Texas many years ago. It is a terracotta tile that many customers may have installed in their home thinking it is Saltillo Tile. Replacement or 'patch' tiles are difficult to find.
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Please call for availability. We sometimes have them in stock. They come in 12x12. These tiles differ in that they are very uniform in color and very flat. $7 per piece.
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Hi there Zevalyn, Thanks for joining our community! As far as the actual repair job goes, it's relatively easy given that you have the right tools. My colleague JosephHDATL produced a great video on this subject, which you can view in the topic: In regards to the grout itself, I would advise against using a concrete patch, as that is meant to dry solid, without any flex.
Grout will almost always have a latex additive that makes it slightly flexible, making sure that it will not crack itself or the tiles it's between if the floor ever flexes. Saltillo tiles are very different from their ceramic and porcelain cousins in that they are an absolute sponge when grouting. They absorb the moisture from the grout, leaving it severely dried out if not properly prepared. You will want to wet the tiles down considerably prior to grouting, so that it will allow your grout mix to dry at a proper rate and not have all its water absorbed. The reason they have a specific grout, like the is that it spreads much firmer than the average grout and you won't find your joints washed out as much as with regular grout, due to the fact that you'll be needing a much wetter mix consistency than regular grout. It's made that way for a reason, so I highly recommend using it, even though it is a bit of overkill for this job.Be sure to Subscribe to your posts!
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Look for the Options drop down at the top right of your post and select Subscribe from the list to stay alert to new activity or replies to your questions. = ) Also, if this answer was helpful to you or solved your problem, please hit the Accept As Solution button to let us know!. Hi there Zevalyn, Thanks for joining our community! As far as the actual repair job goes, it's relatively easy given that you have the right tools. My colleague JosephHDATL produced a great video on this subject, which you can view in the topic: Grout Repair In regards to the grout itself, I would advise against using a concrete patch, as that is meant to dry solid, without any flex.
Grout will almost always have a latex additive that makes it slightly flexible, making sure that it will not crack itself or the tiles it's between if the floor ever flexes. Saltillo tiles are very different from their ceramic and porcelain cousins in that they are an absolute sponge when grouting. They absorb the moisture from the grout, leaving it severely dried out if not properly prepared. You will want to wet the tiles down considerably prior to grouting, so that it will allow your grout mix to dry at a proper rate and not have all its water absorbed.
The reason they have a specific grout, like the Custom Building Materials Saltillo Grout is that it spreads much firmer than the average grout and you won't find your joints washed out as much as with regular grout, due to the fact that you'll be needing a much wetter mix consistency than regular grout. It's made that way for a reason, so I highly recommend using it, even though it is a bit of overkill for this job.Be sure to Subscribe to your posts! Look for the Options drop down at the top right of your post and select Subscribe from the list to stay alert to new activity or replies to your questions. = )Also, if this answer was helpful to you or solved your problem, please hit the Accept As Solution button to let us know!.